See the proposed regs below…
The intention was that we could get just the Class C boys chatting on here – so as not to p*ss on Joneseys chips, but FYI there are the Class A and B regs too…
All classes ( sporting, not technical )
Clarification of grid times used to set two grids from a single qualifying session. Use of first and second fastest times. Trying to avoid inconsistancy if championship has some classes running in another race.
Points scoring to only use official posted race results. No more point for entry on in time. Easier for those that want to keep score for themselves. Also with many completing the season entry form it has become irrelevant to its original purpose of encouraging people to enter before the closing date. However, it is still felt by mgcc that this is an incentive worth keeping so perhaps we put the season entry list up on the website or push for closing date entry lists from the club.
Class A
Clarification of Shock absorber mounting regs. Make it very clear that the shockers can only mount on existing mounting holes, no extra holes or alternate mountings like turrets.
Fibreglass panels may only replace bolted panels. No fibreglass rear wings or rear valences etc. However no replacement of doors whether cage has door bars or not.
Restriction on cylinder head mods. As well as valve size restrictions we could specify inlet/exhaust port/gasket dimensions.
Allow MGC to run a non standard cam. Currently the MGC is restricted to a standard cam and it has been asked if a sportier option could be allowed. If the engine is built to the limit of the current regulations will it be slower than an MGB?
Class B
Restrict MGB V8 models in Class B. 3.5 litre engines only? Do we continue to allow 3.9 engines. Several people are looking at building/buying cars and have 3.9 engines. Do we set the 3.9 weight higher as per the MGR V8?
Move MGB V8 models to Class C. Same comments as above.
Restrict MGC models. Two main areas where mgc is possibly ahead, induction and tyre size. Reduce tyres back to same as B variants on 6inch rims. Restrict carbs to production SU HS or HIF 6.
Restrict class B current popular cars to encourage Midgets. How do Midget times compare? Similar to MGC above we could restrict the carbs or tyres on MGBs. This would be at odds with the Cockshoot regs and would not allow a progression from class A
Should any form of differential other than original be allowed? Currently the MGB and V8 are allowed limited slip but not locking differentials, should this continue, should it extend to other models?
Class C
V8 to be 3.5 litre only. See class B point above. Currently class B allows 3.9 litre engines and if we put all V8’s in class C what engine maximum is allowed.
Further clarification of K series regulations. Clarify the spec of the K series engine.
Here we go…….
For me, Snetterton changed everything regarding the K series boys. With Ollie lapping in the low 1.23s, still sporting a novices yellow cross then going on to win the race outright, clearly they will pi$$ it next year if we don’t slow them down a bit…..
Have a look at my videos on youtube for a birds eye view of their pace.
Over to the rest of you for your opinions…
Vic
That’s a can of worms Barry…
Are you talking about Dan in the K Series Metro as well? Simon Cripps and Dan have been in a class of their own this year, lapping up to 2 seconds faster at Cadwell for example. Surely if you’re talking about slowing us down then we’ve got to be slowing them down too?
Understandably there are a lot of people worrying about these cars being too powerful. We have 190bhp at the fly – James and Johnny Wheeler have a quoted 210bhp with the B Series. If you’re interested we can show you the power graphs which incidentally were sent to Dave Brooke when they were done.
There is a definite need for some good regulations to cover the engines, but I certainly don’t think we have too much power.
Let’s see how we go next year, if we are running away then that’ll be boring for everyone, and in that case we’d be happy to take on the weight. But I’d request that the aforementioned applies to all of Class C, V8’s included. After all, close racing is the key to enjoyment.
Dan
Hi Dan,
you are novices, still got the yellow cross…….you work it out!
You may wish to refer to Joneseys website where I have just posted this
“One last thought, before Blaine Ollie & Dan mention Lofty’s times in his V8 compared to their cars, let him drive a K series & see how fast they really go……no offence lads but there is not much difference between mine & Loftys cars, but the times show how much difference the driver makes!”
We still haven’t seen a “quick” experinced driver in one of your cars, I’d love to take Ollies car around Castle Combe to see how fast I can go, because I know the front running BCV8 boys would knock another 3 or 4 seconds off of that, they did it at Cadwell clocking 1.43.7 in Lofty’s McCarthy 4 pot…..FACT!
In the words of the great Ali G “Keep it real” boys!
Cheers
Vic
Barry, you or Simon are welcome to have a go in my car, book a test day and I will deliver the car for you. James Darby drove my car over the Snetterton weekend and in the relay. He managed to go around 3 tenths quicker than me on full slicks.
Blaine
Dan/Ollie,
Someone please make it plain at the top of this page that the suggestions for possible regulation changes cover more items than you have currently put.
I appreciate you are only concerned with items that affect you but I must stress that they are items for discussion.
Dave
Put my points on Clive’s site, however no issue with any vhpd cars as easy to regulate, bcv8 4 pots should be in C. All v8’s together seems sensible
No changes should stop any current racer in pbic racing with us.
I would like to run same weight as v8’s but dont expect that to be agreed
Allow 1.8 zr 120 spec in class A
Before I joined the PBIC I followed the series and enjoyed some close racing with Simons midget and Dans metro new vs old great to see.
Why not allow 1.8 k series mgb 120 spec in class B?
Why not allow 1.4 k series midget 105 spec in class A?
Makes building a race car a lot cheaper
How would the 120 spec performance compare between an MGB and a ZR or Metro?
I don’t know the answer but we’re already expecting them to be different by putting them in different classes :¬)
The cost argument is compelling since that is what let the K series B into class C, but for a class A car I would prefer that it is a bolt in change not one involving cutting and welding.
This is not an original idea but perhaps we force everyone to run a rev limiter then we can handicap each car individually, Oh wait that’s not good we would just be a one class series :-0
Dave
120 spec ZR should be ok against class A cars as your can regulate weight of car, restrict mods as we cuurently do with ZS in a. Standard engine ecu etc
My chips taste funny..
My chips taste funny..
Perhaps they’re stone
Anyone know the menu for the award dinner?
As this can of worms is bound to get bigger.
regards
dave
Hope it’s chips.
I’ll have a word with Lofty Blaine, would love to drive your car….don’t forget to fill the tank up for us….(what a nice man…)
Vic
Barry, you are more than welcome to drive the beast, just remember the golden rule “you bend it, you mend it”.
I think you may be dissapointed and it mite bite simon……
Good call Blaine
Lets arrange a track day with a few of us, we can all have a go in each others cars, of course, always abiding by the golden rule…..”if you drive my car faster than me, I’ll smash yer face in…..”
Vic
Barry, Sounds good. We better hurry up and organise it so I can get on with adding this large pile of cheating bits to my engine
P.S not keen to drive your car as i’m not use to that much power!…….and I don’t want a beating.